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Before I start my mammoth tour of Ponpeii and Herculaneum, I have a confession to make.

I dislike the Romans.  That's being too nice about it.  I DETEST the Romans.

It wasn't always this way.  When I was a kid, I was besotted with them.  Thanks largely to the BBC, and their adaptation of The Eagle of The Ninth, which featured the lovely Anthony Higgins as Marcus.

My feelngs changed when I took up archaeology, and at first it was an artistic thing.  I found Celtic art awe-inspiring, and would willing trade the flowing lines and the open-ended curve of the La Tene style for anything that ever came out of a Roman workshop.  You can keep your marble sculpture and frescos:  give me the Basse Yutz flagons or the Battersea shield any day.

The La Tene style was at its peak in the pre-Roman Iron Age, and its fate was to be unceremoniously swept aside by the relentless march of the Roman legions.  Belgic pottery gave way to (bleaugh!) Samian Ware, roundhouses to villas, and eeyore-esque Stanwick horse masks (see user pic) to bog-standard statues of Mercury.  How many treasures of the Celtic world were hauled back to Rome as war booty and melted down into coinage and trinkets for the masses??

Sigh.

I haven't even got around to mentioning the more unsavoury aspects of the Roman psyche.  I get the distinct impression that they filched most of their ideas from the Greeks, and then transformed them into something nasty.  The Greeks were insular and into establising colonies and trading with all and sundry: the Romans were incorrigible expansionists, sending their legions swarming out over the known world.  The Greeks' idea of a fun sporting event was either a good pitched battle or the Olympic Games, all mass participation events in which everyone (okay, so long as they're male) could get involved.  The Romans twisted Estruscan funeral fights into grim spectator sports which required the horrible slaughter of men and animals in every greater numbers and ever more exotic fashions.  Their art reflects this.  It's often violent, and sometimes it's downright perverse.

The Romans were probably the first mega-mass consumers. They were fashion conscious, and style conscious.  But their ecomony relied on slavery: war won slaves, slaves did all the heavy labour, so the Roman citizens could swan about and have a good time, eating fast food and going shopping.  They thrust their way into the so-called 'Barbarian' countries (which had problems of their own, admittedly) and they manipulated local politics to suit themselves.   I think it's Tacitus who sums them up extremely nicely with his quote: 'They make a desert, and they call it peace.'

Their influence on our own modern world has been profound.  The fact that so many of our political and judicial and munipical buildings are modelled on Roman originals is not conincidental.  I think it's fair to say that if you stare too deep into the eyes of an Ancient Roman, you can find a reflection of yourself staring right back.  And when you take all the bad things as well as the good things into consideration, the resulting picture is not very pretty.

So there you have it.  By now, you're probably scratching your heads and wondering why I wanted to go to Pompeii in the first place.  To gloat, perhaps.  Because these darned pesky Romans had it coming to them.  Why, not even the might of the Roman Empire could stand up to Vesuvius when it blew its top.  Well, let me assure you that much as though I HATE the Romans, I don't think anyone deserves to be suffocated under tons of ash and pumice, nor seared and roasted in the midst of a pyroclastic flow.  I didn't weep for these unfortunates, but I came damn well close, even though there was almost two thousand years between us.

I suppose I hoped I'd see something in Pompeii that changed my preconceptions.  I didn't, but that didn't make the experience any less awe-inspiring.  The idea of a city - an entire city - being preserved for posterity is just mind-boggling.  Let alone three (we'll include Pompei, Herculaneum and Stabia in the total).   

But before I embark upon my virtual tour, I want you all to spare a thought for those who died that day.  Because they had names, and they had faces.  They had everyday lives, they had families, they had aspirations.  And it all got wiped out, due to circumstances completely outwith their control.

Some poignant images are preserved for posterity in the National Archaeological Museum in Naples:-




 
And so it's to them that I respectfully dedicate this forthcoming series of posts, because without their loss and their sacrifice, we'd still know next to nothing about their world.  They've left us a powerful and evocative legacy, and that's something for which we should be truly grateful.

Date: 2011-04-25 10:04 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] heleninwales.livejournal.com
Thank you for explaining so clearly why I dislike the Romans. I never did much history at school so I was left with a strange split view of them: on the one hand we were told that the Romans had brought civilisation to a land of barbarians and on the other that they were hated invaders who trampled over the noble and romantic Celts who fought back hopelessly but valiantly. :)

Date: 2011-04-25 10:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] endlessrarities.livejournal.com
It's probably a Celtic thing, isn't it?

I couldn't bear to watch the series 'Rome' because I knew what was going to happen to the noble Vercingetorix...

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Date: 2011-04-25 11:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] veronica-milvus.livejournal.com
Ah. They were Modern. They were History rather than pre-history, and we know too much about the way they thought. They were bloody empire builders. I feel the same way - maybe more so - about the Normans, imposing a foreign aristocracy on this country that still exists and keeps the peasants down.

Date: 2011-04-25 12:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] endlessrarities.livejournal.com
I don't really like the Saxons much, so I'm not that bothered about the Normans. Plus I like Romanesque architecture!! I'd quibble about the dominance of the foreign aristocracy - I'd say that the rise of the burghs toppled the old aristocratic order, and that if you dig a bit deeper, you'll probably find that a lot of the aristos are no doubt jumped-up 'nouveau riche' from Tudor & Stewart times who've settled in with the bricks and mortar.

Date: 2011-04-25 11:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] es0terika.livejournal.com
I agree with what you say on the Romans there, ever since the Empire fell we have been living in Post-Roman world - we have never come close to shaking of their cultural model or their legacy.

I like the portrait at the top btw, I believe we have a copy at the Manchester Museum.

Date: 2011-04-25 12:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] endlessrarities.livejournal.com
It was a wonderful thing to see all those amazing artefacts and images with which we're so familiar from books & telly face to face and in person.

Now I've got to figure out where to find the Vix Kratar.

I like to think that my cultural roots are Greek, as opposed to Roman. It's not true, I know, but I find it comforting!

Date: 2011-04-25 02:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lizziebelle.livejournal.com
I'm so glad to see others feel the same way about the Romans. I've always disliked them, whether it was (supposedly) feeding Christians to the lions, or conquering my ancestors, or baldly stealing from the Greeks, I just found them distasteful and barbaric. I find it alarming that our society (especially here in the US) seems to be following in their footsteps in many ways. We really do never learn from history, it seems.

Date: 2011-04-25 02:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] endlessrarities.livejournal.com
You know? I'm feeling pretty relieved that I'm not alone in my dislike for them. I thought it was just me, and my Celt-ophile tendencies.

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Date: 2011-04-25 03:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] clairehawthorn.livejournal.com
Although I don't dislike the Romans as such, I've always been very relieved that they never made it as far my Irish homeland for it allowed the country to hold onto it's cultural and spiritual traditons.
Now I'm living seven miles from a section of Hadrian's Wall. Despite always being awestruck by it's structure as I drive alongside it, I always think that although Hadrian's Wall symbolises order and civilisation this is the part of England where the locals ran riot right up to a couple of hundred years ago. (Think of the Scots - English hoohaa...)
So - "thumbs nose" at the Romans......

Date: 2011-04-25 03:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] endlessrarities.livejournal.com
Heh, heh.

I have just two words to add:-

MONS GRAUPIUS!!!!

Date: 2011-04-25 04:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cmcmck.livejournal.com
My real hatred is for William the Bastard and the Normans- it's probably why I fetched up as an early modernist rather than a mediaevalist like hubby :o/

Italy wise, I find the Estruscans (who the Romans copied in so many things artistic) far more fascinating and especially the Villanova culture.

Date: 2011-04-25 04:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] endlessrarities.livejournal.com
This seems to be a trend amongst the historically minded.

I like Romanesque, you see. I'm a sucker for a nicely shaped arch and a pretty carved capital. Though the sacking of the north in the post Norman conquest period was brutal by anyone's standards...

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Date: 2011-04-25 04:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] green-knight.livejournal.com
I would love to see Pompei, Herculaneum, and whatsit because the are such important sites in themselves. There are certain Roman engineering feats I admire, but it always strikes me that history treats the Romans as if they had come out of nowhere - when in reality they borrowed concepts and ideas from everybody, and they were by no means 'destined for greatness' as later narratives make it out.

(Go Team Hannibal!)

Ahem.

I forgot who it was on my flist/rlist who recently remarked about The Eagle that we (as in, Western Consumers) are used to seeing ourselves in the role of the conquerors, the people who bring civilisation to the Barbarians, only in the case of the Romans and the British Isles, _we are the Barbarians_.

Date: 2011-04-25 04:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] endlessrarities.livejournal.com
I certainly can't fault their competence at building or engineering, and the workmanship in their frescoes, bronzes glasswork and especially their mosaics is utterly astounding.

It's the subject matter that I find a great turn-off.

I took a photo of THAT nanny goat, but I don't think I'll have the guts to post it, even with an Adult Content notice...

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Date: 2011-04-25 06:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] faunhaert.livejournal.com
i cheat i let anne rice do the research..

looks like the roman ideal cam and messed with things here

people just are so stupid sometimes

Date: 2011-04-25 07:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] endlessrarities.livejournal.com
I'm sure Anne Rice doesn't go the whole way as far as the Romans are concerned...

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Date: 2011-04-25 11:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] khiemtran.livejournal.com
I think it's fair to say that if you stare too deep into the eyes of an Ancient Roman, you can find a reflection of yourself staring right back. And when you take all the bad things as well as the good things into consideration, the resulting picture is not very pretty.

Yes, I think that's the key. And the faults we see in others are often the ones we most fear in ourselves.

Some poignant images are preserved for posterity in the National Archaeological Museum in Naples
Wow, those are poignant alright. I did wonder about the "posterity" bit though. I wonder how well the National Archaeological Museum will stand up over the next twenty centuries.

Date: 2011-04-26 05:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] endlessrarities.livejournal.com
Hey, good point!! But whatever happens to the orginals, we'll still have copies of the images doing the rounds:-)

Date: 2011-04-26 06:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] puddleshark.livejournal.com
Those portraits are astonishing... So sophisticated and so deeply personal.



Date: 2011-04-26 07:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cmcmck.livejournal.com
Egypto Roman coffin lids provide some of the same deeply personal images- there was an exhibiotn of these in London a few years back which had me in tears- it's so plain from many of them that the young people were victims of what used to be called consumption (tuberculosis, which was rife in the Roman world).

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Date: 2011-04-26 05:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] endlessrarities.livejournal.com
I found them very poignant indeed.

Date: 2011-04-26 09:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gylfinir.livejournal.com
Oh dear. And here I was gushing the other day about how much I love the Romans. And I'm Welsh too. *sorry* ;)

Can't wait to hear about your adventures, though; I loved Pompeii so much that I just had to go back...and I feel another visit is due soon...

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Date: 2011-04-26 09:44 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] red-trillium.livejournal.com
Intriguing. I would expect you to have your preferred times/cultures in your line of work, but didn't think about the ones you might out-right hate!

Very thought-provoking.

Date: 2011-04-26 05:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] endlessrarities.livejournal.com
I still don't mind dealing with the artefacts. If someone throws a bit of Samian at me and says, "Illustrate this," I reply with, "Oooh!! Goody!!" rather than, "Oh, God! Not the Romans!!"
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