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I just spent Valentine's Day on Day One of the Toilet Survey.  We visited six toilets, recorded five in detail (which is something of a record - five buildings in one day!  Wow!!!) and joyfully crossed them off the 'To Do' list.  To my chagrin, five out of the six were all different - I was hoping some would be duplicates so they wouldn't have to be recorded at all... 

So I can now add a detailed understanding of changing 20th century sanitary wares to my already extensive palmares.  We had original 1930s toilets, modified 1930s toilets, 1950s toilets, and 1970s toilets.  And then there were the gender divisions: male toilets (with urinals) and female toilets (without).  Trust me, girls (and boys, too, I suppose): having to make detailed sketches and measurements of a 1930s urinal is a seriously weird experience.  Still, someone had to do it:  I was oscillating between the geeky ceramics specialist (sticking my nose up close and saying 'ooh, what does that say?' as I tried to decipher the maker's mark) and squeamish girlie-girl (exclaiming, "eek! That's GROSS!!' as I finally realised that I was sticking my nose into a urinal).  Ah, the joys...  We have another two toilets to complete tomorrow (before returning to the more mundane topic of section stores and miscellaneous office) and then after that I suppose I'll be able to start compiling the Definitive Typology of Toilet Types.  That's before we get onto the subject of handbasins, of which I identified five different types,  All were faithfully recorded, with locations of soap recesses marked, and the cross-section of the basin drawn in detailed (one had a lip all the way round, one had a chamfered edge, one had a lip along either side edge, and the other two were just plain BORING).   Yes, my job is this anal (pardon the unfortunate pun...) even when the material encountered is blatantly modern.

Last night, we watched the Simon Schama episode ' Burning Convictions', which was about Henry VIII, Edward and Mary.  I realised then why I hate, I really hate, I really, really, really hate, Thomas Cromwell.  It's all Simon Schama's fault - he's brainwashed me into detesting the man (but the historical episodes of vandalism and brutality he cites are pretty damning, I must admit).  Hats off to Hilary Mantel:  in Wolf Hall, she managed to create a character I found convincing as a person, and as a representation of Thomas Cromwell, and yet I didn't really detest him all that much, because everything he did seemed justified and reasonable.  Now that's good writing for you!!

Date: 2011-02-14 06:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] roaming.livejournal.com
Woman, what a freakin' fascinating life you lead! I am envious. Truly! :-)

When it comes to historical drama, I try to remind myself that it may be unfair to apply modern ethos and sensibilities of what's right/wrong to the actions of those historical figures. They were operating in their historical/political/social context, and so by their lights may not have been as bad as we view them with our current lens. (Sadly, I do not know enough about history to make a cogent argument about just how to view and/or excuse Cromwell or others for their actions based on their milieu. But I'm sure there's one to make by some expert out there!)

Date: 2011-02-15 05:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] endlessrarities.livejournal.com
I used to have that attitude, but I'm not so forgiving these days. I think there have been decent folks and horrid folks from the beginning of time, and sadly, then as now, it's the horrid folks who tend to be successful, while the meek and mild just get trampled on.

I'm just mad that so many works of art and music were trashed by the Reformers. Bit like the Taleban blowing up those buddhas a few years back and having men sitting in Kabul Museum hammering all the artefacts into smithereens because they didn't fit in with their worldview.

Date: 2011-02-15 06:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] roaming.livejournal.com
ahh. hmmm. you've convinced me. :-)

Date: 2011-02-14 08:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rowangolightly.livejournal.com
I think I'd be on the "ew" side of the toilet documentation.

And I'm in agreement with you on Thomas Cromwell.

Date: 2011-02-14 09:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] faunhaert.livejournal.com
when we were janitors- we were the save the account crew.

it was our joy to go in and excavate
the porcelain and clean it and its environment
back to its showroom face.

the worse toiletries & sinks belonged to mechanics-
but the private executive black toilet ran a good 2nd in nastiness.
white might be hard to keep clean, but black is worse.

running hot water and chemistry
make a big difference.

think we need to shock the well or so we've been told
the rust is incredible!
we can't change the filters often enough
we must be sitting over a iron deposit!

Happy Valentines Day!

Date: 2011-02-15 05:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] endlessrarities.livejournal.com
Oh, bleaugh! This is the ANTHROPOLOGY of toilets, as opposed to the archaeology of toilets. Too much detail, methinks...

Date: 2011-02-15 08:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] faunhaert.livejournal.com
You be plumbing the depths of humanity
hehe
its a inventory book only a plumber would love?
or Kohler Company"http://www.us.kohler.com/"
think they've got a museum of toiletry? or so the rumor goes

don't think you need the perspective
but better to count than clean all that !
&
its way better than inventorying out houses, how many time it's been moved..
how deep is the hole.. how many times do you think they burned it clean?
grandpa said instead of digging a hole some folks would move the house
then burn up the contents... big pillar of black smoke,
probably would hear about moses following the pillar of smoke that week in church..
they loved concrete examples back then.

wonder if krap mean excrement before john krapper invented his toilet,
or only afterwards!

as the Gastroenterologist
would say this project will soon pass..
then you can go on to bigger and better things like
light fixtures? hehe

<http://changeling72.livejournal.com/>
has pictures of dew drops at kew gardens
eye candy? to rest your eyes...

Date: 2011-02-15 09:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] endlessrarities.livejournal.com
Sadly, changeling72's journal's friends-only - so I've tried friending them!!

Date: 2011-02-14 09:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] goddessofchaos.livejournal.com
I'm so disillusioned... archaeology is just not the glamor career I imagined :P

Date: 2011-02-15 05:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] endlessrarities.livejournal.com
What scares me is that I'm starting to get into the swing of things now...

Date: 2011-02-14 09:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] asakiyume.livejournal.com
Hats off to Hilary Mantel indeed; your brief mention is intriguing; makes me want to pick up Wolf Hall.

I guess there must be evolutions in urinal design as in everything else!

Date: 2011-02-15 05:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] endlessrarities.livejournal.com
Changes in fashion and the relative cheapness of certain materials. Iron cisterns give way to plastic and ceramic, etc.

Date: 2011-02-16 01:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] asakiyume.livejournal.com
So they used to be iron! Wow....

Date: 2011-02-16 05:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] endlessrarities.livejournal.com
Just the cisterns. Not the bowls...

Date: 2011-02-15 06:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] puddleshark.livejournal.com
It seems so odd to be lavishing such attention on 1970s bogware... but I know that generations unborn will be grateful for such a detailed legacy of knowledge.

Date: 2011-02-15 05:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] endlessrarities.livejournal.com
The 1930s bogware is definitely of greater interest...

Date: 2011-02-15 07:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] annietopia.livejournal.com
Being a woman of this day and age, I am really only familiar with the modern day toilet. I am not sure if I could count on two hands the amount of urinals that I have seen first hand. Now that I have a son in school, I am hearing way too many details on urinals. I am also fairly sure that I would never pick to have one in my own home after listening to second grader stories of what his friends do to the urinals.

As for the history of toilets, I have never thought to see how they have changed over the years. While I understand there had to be some advancements between "hole in the ground" and what we use today, I am not aware of those changes.

Date: 2011-02-15 05:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] endlessrarities.livejournal.com
The changes are all stylistic - wall-mounted clunky-looking cisterns, holding less water, as opposed to larger ceramic cisterns, or slimline plastic ones. It's quite important to differentiate the different eras as it shows how the factory sections expanded/contracted throughout its history. And how the different proportions of male/female workers changed.

Date: 2011-02-15 03:12 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] heleninwales.livejournal.com
I just spent Valentine's Day on Day One of the Toilet Survey

That made me lol! I bet that's well down the list of suggested romantic Valentine's Day activities. :)

My familiarity with urinals is limited to having to clean them in the men's washrooms when we were Youth Hostel wardens. Not a fun job and the men's loos always smelled worse than the ladies'.

Date: 2011-02-15 05:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] endlessrarities.livejournal.com
Everything's relative. These toilets are mingin', but at least they haven't been used for twenty years or more (much more in some cases...).

I'd much rather sketch and photograph the things than clean them.

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